(05-07-2025, 10:56 PM)Hitler Wrote: @SonicRefs he wont get unbanned since he ignored my instructions twice before his 'vacation' .As for the money, will Sonic refund fully/partial? as he admitted himself it was a joint business.
Advertising for a banned member will get you banned as well .
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@SonicRefs your business partner had to reply to the client messages and add him back to the group chat that he paid for and he did neither of that even tho he was given enough time and you will also be responsible if the client doesnt receive the support necessary and gets added back to the gc within 24h otherwise you have to fully refund him
all you have to do now is add the client back to the groupchat and make sure his questions gets answered as he paid for a mentorship he didnt buy just a pdf file
all you have to do now is add the client back to the groupchat and make sure his questions gets answered as he paid for a mentorship he didnt buy just a pdf file
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Thank you I think this is a fair and reasonable resolution.
This is all I wanted from the get-go.
This is all I wanted from the get-go.
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I'm not going to lie @RealPsycho 
and @Hitler
I don't see this working out, it's already been 12+ hours with no contact. I don't see how I can work with Sonic nor Mason after them publicly lying and changing their stories in these scam reports. I'm not sure what you're view is on the matter but my main concern is that the content still isn't updated, and that the mentoring I receive will continue to have the same issues as before. I hope you can hear my concern.
I'd be happy even at this point to receive a partial refund.
and @HitlerI don't see this working out, it's already been 12+ hours with no contact. I don't see how I can work with Sonic nor Mason after them publicly lying and changing their stories in these scam reports. I'm not sure what you're view is on the matter but my main concern is that the content still isn't updated, and that the mentoring I receive will continue to have the same issues as before. I hope you can hear my concern.
I'd be happy even at this point to receive a partial refund.
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Mason explained that he was on vacation and didn’t even know he was banned until after it happened, which completely kills the idea that he was ignoring you or hiding from this situation, because if he wasn’t even aware of the ban, then the entire claim that he disappeared or tried to dodge responsibility just doesn’t hold.
You keep repeating that you paid for one-on-one mentorship like it wasn’t offered, but that’s exactly what was provided because every mentee had full access to message me directly and get support, and I was answering questions and mentoring people daily during that time, so the only reason you didn’t get anything is because you never reached out and never once used the access that was already there.
Your claim that you weren’t mentored doesn’t work when you never opened your mouth to ask for help and never sent a single message to the person who was still active and providing support, because if you had taken even thirty seconds to ask anything, I would have answered the same way I did for everyone else who actually used the program the way it was meant to be used.
On top of that, Mason told me you asked for a refund which makes no sense because refunds are not offered and were never promised, so now you’re trying to twist that failed refund request into a scam accusation even though nothing was hidden, nothing was denied, and nothing you’re claiming actually matches what happened.
You were given access to the mentorship, you had the ability to get help, you chose not to participate, and now that you’re unhappy with the result of your own inaction, you’re looking for someone else to blame instead of taking responsibility for the fact that you didn’t use the tools that were already in your hands.
I have my group with people that PAID MYSELF me and mason never split money for subscriptions each had their own members and we used to only share content as i explained above! There is no sense me paying out something that mason have to provide! Same way that it was on my channel he could've paid me and he would have access to new mentorship group and my full guidance after me and mason stopped working.
AGAIN he did not try to contact me on telegram any time since this scam report all this user wants is a refund and no knowledge since he probably already saved all that i posted on last group.
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You keep repeating that you paid for one-on-one mentorship like it wasn’t offered, but that’s exactly what was provided because every mentee had full access to message me directly and get support, and I was answering questions and mentoring people daily during that time, so the only reason you didn’t get anything is because you never reached out and never once used the access that was already there.
Your claim that you weren’t mentored doesn’t work when you never opened your mouth to ask for help and never sent a single message to the person who was still active and providing support, because if you had taken even thirty seconds to ask anything, I would have answered the same way I did for everyone else who actually used the program the way it was meant to be used.
On top of that, Mason told me you asked for a refund which makes no sense because refunds are not offered and were never promised, so now you’re trying to twist that failed refund request into a scam accusation even though nothing was hidden, nothing was denied, and nothing you’re claiming actually matches what happened.
You were given access to the mentorship, you had the ability to get help, you chose not to participate, and now that you’re unhappy with the result of your own inaction, you’re looking for someone else to blame instead of taking responsibility for the fact that you didn’t use the tools that were already in your hands.
(05-07-2025, 11:49 PM)UserDD Wrote: Thank you I think this is a fair and reasonable resolution.He never tried to contact me on telegram his intention is do SE to get a refund i can easily provide all the mentoring even though he paid mason for it. Me and mason had different papers on this i provided content and mason provide 1:1 all my content has been moved to a new group since i am not working with mason anymore you can easily check my public group and see that my mentorship is alone now! Since he paid Mason he will have to move to Mason new group since we not together same to all his other members.
This is all I wanted from the get-go.
I have my group with people that PAID MYSELF me and mason never split money for subscriptions each had their own members and we used to only share content as i explained above! There is no sense me paying out something that mason have to provide! Same way that it was on my channel he could've paid me and he would have access to new mentorship group and my full guidance after me and mason stopped working.
AGAIN he did not try to contact me on telegram any time since this scam report all this user wants is a refund and no knowledge since he probably already saved all that i posted on last group.
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(05-08-2025, 02:05 PM)SonicRefs Wrote: Mason explained that he was on vacation and didn’t even know he was banned until after it happened, which completely kills the idea that he was ignoring you or hiding from this situation, because if he wasn’t even aware of the ban, then the entire claim that he disappeared or tried to dodge responsibility just doesn’t hold.We just seem to be going round and round in circles here.
You keep repeating that you paid for one-on-one mentorship like it wasn’t offered, but that’s exactly what was provided because every mentee had full access to message me directly and get support, and I was answering questions and mentoring people daily during that time, so the only reason you didn’t get anything is because you never reached out and never once used the access that was already there.
Your claim that you weren’t mentored doesn’t work when you never opened your mouth to ask for help and never sent a single message to the person who was still active and providing support, because if you had taken even thirty seconds to ask anything, I would have answered the same way I did for everyone else who actually used the program the way it was meant to be used.
On top of that, Mason told me you asked for a refund which makes no sense because refunds are not offered and were never promised, so now you’re trying to twist that failed refund request into a scam accusation even though nothing was hidden, nothing was denied, and nothing you’re claiming actually matches what happened.
You were given access to the mentorship, you had the ability to get help, you chose not to participate, and now that you’re unhappy with the result of your own inaction, you’re looking for someone else to blame instead of taking responsibility for the fact that you didn’t use the tools that were already in your hands.
(05-07-2025, 11:49 PM)UserDD Wrote: Thank you I think this is a fair and reasonable resolution.He never tried to contact me on telegram his intention is do SE to get a refund i can easily provide all the mentoring even though he paid mason for it. Me and mason had different papers on this i provided content and mason provide 1:1 all my content has been moved to a new group since i am not working with mason anymore you can easily check my public group and see that my mentorship is alone now! Since he paid Mason he will have to move to Mason new group since we not together same to all his other members.
This is all I wanted from the get-go.
I have my group with people that PAID MYSELF me and mason never split money for subscriptions each had their own members and we used to only share content as i explained above! There is no sense me paying out something that mason have to provide! Same way that it was on my channel he could've paid me and he would have access to new mentorship group and my full guidance after me and mason stopped working.
AGAIN he did not try to contact me on telegram any time since this scam report all this user wants is a refund and no knowledge since he probably already saved all that i posted on last group.
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I'll break down my new thoughts on this.
You have lied again here "Mason explained that he was on vacation and didn’t even know he was banned until after it happened, which completely kills the idea that he was ignoring you or hiding from this situation, because if he wasn’t even aware of the ban, then the entire claim that he disappeared or tried to dodge responsibility just doesn’t hold." his responses for the entire month were diabolically slow, or non-existent and he seemed confused a lot of the time as well as you can see in the chat logs.
So effectively you are saying the product I paid for no longer exists now.
It just seems to be so weird that you so often have such a non-resolution based approach to any deal disputes made against you. I've seen it on here, on cracked and I imagine elsewhere too. The reality is you are not business orientated. You can't keep your story straight. I don't know what you think a "mentorship" means but in my experience and understanding it is guidance or teaching provided BY a MENTOR. Therefore simply dropping me in a group and expecting me to pickup the pieces is simply not adequate. You claim I never opened my mouth and asked for help so I suggest you actually READ the chat logs on the deal dispute with Mason :) might give you a better understanding. You also later go on to say "I provided content" and Mason "provide 1:1" so again my claim that I was not receiving the 1:1 which was in your words; not mine: supposed to be provided by Mason whom if you read above, any of the chat logs, or the Mason deal dispute you will see I did not receive this. The product I purchased "Sonic X Masons" partnered mentorship by the sounds of things from what you have said in your post #15 on this thread to no longer exist. It does not matter if I paid you or mason it was a joint/partnered mentorship program.
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You claim we’re going in circles, and I don’t disagree, but let’s not pretend the blame for that falls on anyone but you, because the moment this situation started, you skipped the most basic step of resolving a misunderstanding and went straight for a public accusation without ever once sending me a message, asking a question, or making any attempt to clarify anything, which is why we’re now here untangling something that could’ve been dealt with in less than five minutes if you had the slightest instinct for resolving things like an adult.
You continue pushing this idea that I somehow lied about Mason being on vacation and unaware of the ban, but I didn’t speculate or make anything up. I repeated exactly what he told me, and if you found his replies slow or vague or useless, that’s your problem with him and not some grand conspiracy I was a part of, because while he was busy being unresponsive, I was mentoring people daily, answering questions, posting content, and helping anyone who bothered to message me, and you never did, not once, which is the part you keep glossing over every time you try to throw my name in the mud.
Then there’s your claim that the mentorship was dead or outdated when you joined, but again, that’s not what happened and you know it, because the mentorship is still running, people are still getting help, new content is still being added, and mentees who actually used what they had access to are getting the exact value that was promised, and the only reason you weren’t one of them is because you chose not to engage, not to speak up, not to ask for support, and not to even make your presence known, so when you now say I didn’t help you, what you’re actually doing is trying to shift responsibility for your silence onto me, as if I’m supposed to hunt down every ghost in the group and beg them to participate.
You never paid me, you never messaged me, and you never gave me a single reason to think I had any obligation to you whatsoever, and now you’re asking for a refund from someone who wasn’t part of the transaction, didn’t receive your payment, wasn’t made aware of your enrollment, and wasn’t even informed you existed until this scam report showed up with my name in it, which makes this entire argument not just wrong, but borderline laughable considering how detached it is from the facts.
You accessed the group, saved content, stayed silent, and now you want to walk away with both the information and the money, and expect me to eat that loss because you decided to stay quiet until the moment you thought you could turn it into a refund, and that’s not how it works, not in business, not in mentorship, and not in any system where people are expected to act in good faith.
And since you brought up PGC, let’s actually deal with that, because what you failed to mention is that I was the one who got scammed, not some bystander, and I’m not talking about a miscommunication or some minor issue, I’m talking about a real amount of money stolen from me by someone I was partnered with, and instead of whining about it, I put in the hours to collect every message and receipt, registered on his private server Exploit.in, paid three hundred dollars just to gain access, and got him banned from the one forum he actually cared about, which doesn’t look like someone trying to dodge accountability. It looks like someone who knows how to handle situations properly and with receipts.
You say I’m not business-oriented, and yet I’ve built a working mentorship, responded to every real issue brought to me, maintained a reputation across platforms, helped hundreds of people directly, and continued to run things transparently while you sat in silence, avoided direct contact, skipped every opportunity to speak up, and now expect me to take the hit for a situation I was never even part of.
I didn’t get your payment, I didn’t ignore your messages, I didn’t promise you anything, and I didn’t know you were in the group, so when you say I didn’t mentor you, what you really mean is that you chose not to engage, and when that turned out poorly, you looked for someone to blame and decided I’d be the easier target since Mason was already checked out.
This never had to happen, but you made it happen by staying quiet, waiting until the situation was unsalvageable, and then showing up after the fact to demand a refund from someone who didn’t even know you were there, and no matter how many times you spin that, it’s not a scam, it’s not a fraud, and it’s not something I’ll be apologizing for.
You continue pushing this idea that I somehow lied about Mason being on vacation and unaware of the ban, but I didn’t speculate or make anything up. I repeated exactly what he told me, and if you found his replies slow or vague or useless, that’s your problem with him and not some grand conspiracy I was a part of, because while he was busy being unresponsive, I was mentoring people daily, answering questions, posting content, and helping anyone who bothered to message me, and you never did, not once, which is the part you keep glossing over every time you try to throw my name in the mud.
Then there’s your claim that the mentorship was dead or outdated when you joined, but again, that’s not what happened and you know it, because the mentorship is still running, people are still getting help, new content is still being added, and mentees who actually used what they had access to are getting the exact value that was promised, and the only reason you weren’t one of them is because you chose not to engage, not to speak up, not to ask for support, and not to even make your presence known, so when you now say I didn’t help you, what you’re actually doing is trying to shift responsibility for your silence onto me, as if I’m supposed to hunt down every ghost in the group and beg them to participate.
You never paid me, you never messaged me, and you never gave me a single reason to think I had any obligation to you whatsoever, and now you’re asking for a refund from someone who wasn’t part of the transaction, didn’t receive your payment, wasn’t made aware of your enrollment, and wasn’t even informed you existed until this scam report showed up with my name in it, which makes this entire argument not just wrong, but borderline laughable considering how detached it is from the facts.
You accessed the group, saved content, stayed silent, and now you want to walk away with both the information and the money, and expect me to eat that loss because you decided to stay quiet until the moment you thought you could turn it into a refund, and that’s not how it works, not in business, not in mentorship, and not in any system where people are expected to act in good faith.
And since you brought up PGC, let’s actually deal with that, because what you failed to mention is that I was the one who got scammed, not some bystander, and I’m not talking about a miscommunication or some minor issue, I’m talking about a real amount of money stolen from me by someone I was partnered with, and instead of whining about it, I put in the hours to collect every message and receipt, registered on his private server Exploit.in, paid three hundred dollars just to gain access, and got him banned from the one forum he actually cared about, which doesn’t look like someone trying to dodge accountability. It looks like someone who knows how to handle situations properly and with receipts.
You say I’m not business-oriented, and yet I’ve built a working mentorship, responded to every real issue brought to me, maintained a reputation across platforms, helped hundreds of people directly, and continued to run things transparently while you sat in silence, avoided direct contact, skipped every opportunity to speak up, and now expect me to take the hit for a situation I was never even part of.
I didn’t get your payment, I didn’t ignore your messages, I didn’t promise you anything, and I didn’t know you were in the group, so when you say I didn’t mentor you, what you really mean is that you chose not to engage, and when that turned out poorly, you looked for someone to blame and decided I’d be the easier target since Mason was already checked out.
This never had to happen, but you made it happen by staying quiet, waiting until the situation was unsalvageable, and then showing up after the fact to demand a refund from someone who didn’t even know you were there, and no matter how many times you spin that, it’s not a scam, it’s not a fraud, and it’s not something I’ll be apologizing for.
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I believe I've said everything that needs to be said. @RealPsycho @Hitler I await your final decision on the matter.
@Hitler I await your final decision on the matter.
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@UserDD the reason for your scam report is because you never got any support or your questions were ignored sonic here claims that you never tried to contact him or ask for help and you directly opened a scam report now if thats true this report is false and you have to just contact sonic and get the support and mentoring you paid for and @SonicRefs you are involved in the deal between him and manson since you advertising for him so if manson scams the blame is on you now for proxyselling for a scammer
now @UserDD if you fail to contact sonic and get the support you need within 24h this report is invalid same for sonic he fails to respond to you within the 24h after you message him he will be banned
now @UserDD if you fail to contact sonic and get the support you need within 24h this report is invalid same for sonic he fails to respond to you within the 24h after you message him he will be banned
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(05-08-2025, 06:29 PM)RealPsycho Wrote: @UserDD the reason for your scam report is because you never got any support or your questions were ignored sonic here claims that you never tried to contact him or ask for help and you directly opened a scam report now if thats true this report is false and you have to just contact sonic and get the support and mentoring you paid for and @SonicRefs you are involved in the deal between him and manson since you advertising for him so if manson scams the blame is on you now for proxyselling for a scammerDone I have contacted him.
now @UserDD if you fail to contact sonic and get the support you need within 24h this report is invalid same for sonic he fails to respond to you within the 24h after you message him he will be banned
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